In episode 3, we’re talking about qualitative research and what we heard directly from whānau with lived experience of prisons.
It’s just Gabrielle Baker in the podcast studio this time, but you’ll still hear an interview recorded with co-host Paula Toko King, along with the return of Cheryl Davies from Tū Kotahi Māori Asthma and Research Trust. This episode also includes interviews with several of the kairangahau on our team.
This is a useful episode for anyone who wants to learn more about the process of Kaupapa Māori rangahau, driven by the aspirations of whānau. We kōrero about how critically important it was to have whānau with the lived experiences of prison lead the qualitative research.

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As you’ll hear in this episode, the qualitative findings highlight the power of whanaungatanga and supportive relationships, that culturally grounded pathways can strengthen identity and belonging, and that spiritual connection and faith have been really important for some of the whānau we spoke with.
However, practical supports from government fall short. The interviews emphasises the need for better housing, employment options, raining, access to health and social services (especially Kaupapa Māori services) and transport. And we also heard about the challenges of dealing with the Ministry of Social and Development and Work and Income as you return to the community.
At the end of the episode, some of the kairangahau share their own reflections on being part of the TIAKI Rōpū Rangahau and what they hope will change as a result of this project.

We have created an art zine to support episode 3. This zine, made up of over 40 artworks inspired by quotes from the interviews. These artworks were created at a series of workshops held at Tu Kotahi Māori Asthma and Research Trust earlier this year.
No generative AI was used in the creation of the zine or any part of the TIAKI podcast.
This episode was hosted by Gabrielle Baker and features segments from interviews with kairangahau: Ace Goff, Crystal Dickson, Janet Matehe, Jimole Cremin, and Saulo Kolio, and two of the TIAKI co-leads: Associate Professor Dr Paula King and Cheryl Davies.
The podcast was recorded at Tīhei Rangatahi, Wainuiomata. Snow Chase was our sound tech.
The podcast music – ‘He kōrero nui tō ngākau’/Your heart has an important story’ was composed by Paula Toko King and Nona King. Taonga puoro, piano soundboard, and piano performed by Paula Toko King and Nona King. Additional bird calls by korimako and pīwakawaka. The music was also recorded by Snow Chase.
There are no extra readings for this episode e te whānau!